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  1. Granprix Kevin
    19th June 2017 @ 7:22 pm

    Yawn. I was there, saw it person. It has nothing that appeals to me. The SLUK bridge piece clip is far more exciting, not to mention the amazing developments by Casa Performance.

    • innocenti225
      30th December 2018 @ 11:17 am

      I have already spoken in the unveiling Video in Adria and my opinion has not changed…it’s a Modern Twist and Go…not a Lambretta. Please Please do not ever show a Modded Up Version on any Media….there already enough Comedy GTS Vespas floating about…..probably too dear for Deliveroo Riders to buy

  2. Pete Davies
    19th June 2017 @ 7:40 pm

    Frankly I think Innocenti SPa should have simply approached Scomadi and negotiated a rebadging deal.
    A ready-made scoot that’s proving to be hugely popular and actually has classic Lambretta looks with a Lambretta badge would I think prove to be a winning combination.

    (Booga)

  3. Nigel Beevers
    19th June 2017 @ 8:11 pm

    ajs/lexmoto no longer a cheap option. gone from 1100 to 1700 in a year. doubt the neco will reappear in euro4

  4. Nigel Beevers
    19th June 2017 @ 8:13 pm

    should lml reappear, any brand loyalty by users and importers, will have been lost by the last 15 months carry on

  5. Martin_freaks
    19th June 2017 @ 8:57 pm

    At the end of this article you liken it to Triumph following the demise of Meriden production, however the business model is totally different, all design both chassis and power train were from scratch – there was no compromise using an off the shelf third party solution.

    • Sticky
      19th June 2017 @ 9:41 pm

      I agree Martin, using a pre-prepared platform is a big shortcut, but if the rumoured geared engine did come to fruition it would probably be exclusive. Currently even big players like BMW commission Taiwanese firms to make exclusive engines for scooters – Kymco make the engine for the BMW C650.

      • Gary Constantine
        20th June 2017 @ 8:41 pm

        I respect the effort a lot, as a ex Industrial Designer myself, seeing how/what the respected Kiska did here, in addition to planning this platform so it will be offered as all electric model in 18′, this is what reminds me of the kind of vision Innocenti once had. I can understand the pushback from the the nostalgia oriented enthusiasts, but idealizing what could or should of been from 50 years ago is not really pragmatic nor realistic. Also, its easy to forget that this is a very risky and costly venture that can’t likely afford big writeoffs should it fail, therefore it has to marketed and sold to the widest market possible to survive, which means it can’t be focused on what vintage enthusiasts idealize or want, and there would never be any volume sales in that category anyways to provide the ROI. Scomadi may be trying to cater a bit otherwise to the vintage minded, and though that design is a far closer nod to the vintage design, vintage enthusiasts nearly en masse scoff at that scooter as well. I’ll be in on these when the electric version comes available, if I can get one here, this has vision, and its the future.

      • Martin_freaks
        21st June 2017 @ 9:04 pm

        Not making the engine themselves is not the issue – Commissioning a third party to make your exclusive design is a smart move to reduce manufacturing costs, but for the example given, this would be an exclusive design by BMW or for BMW – they will have laid out the spec to suit their design goals so the compromise will not exist (other than the usual packaging constraints/compromise of fitting the latest homologation requirements for the current Euro 4 or forth coming Euro 5 legislation).
        I am not against the modern scooter or even the auto, I just think that it is one compromise too many for the brand when you look at the global market share available for this type of machine and disagree that Innocenti would have come up with this, the front looks too stubby for the slimline style rear – I don’t believe it would be like the Scomadi either as this is too heratige looking for an all new modern Lambretta.
        As for the comment about not risking too much in case of business failure – is this not planning to fail?
        Roll on the larger geared version and lets see what this one looks like.

  6. rogscoot
    19th June 2017 @ 10:46 pm

    I’m a scooterist with a broad love of anything on two small wheels from the fugly Cosa to the beautiful GS150, I commute daily on a scooter (Bajaj Chetak!) and have used everything from GTSs to S3 Lambrettas.
    I have no problem with autos and always try to keep an open mind when looking at any new scooter especially one with a Lambretta badge because there’s always the “what if they do a good job of it?” But alas I’m afraid to say that I can’t find anything to like with this scooter, the front end and the forks look awful and as mentioned the swept up floor and panels are just too big of a compromise and whilst I realise using another GY6 derivative is cheaper and easier I feel that a slimmer engine can be produced, if Innocenti could put a 4 speed gearbox engine into a slim chassis in the 1950s to keep the floor flat then someone ought to be able to design a slimmer auto engine.
    I’ll be looking to buy an auto in the next 18 months and for me the Scomadi 200 is at the top of the list. As a previous commentator said, the new Lambretta company should have just struck a rebadging deal with Frank and Paul

  7. soulfecker
    20th June 2017 @ 7:47 am

    I have always been a Lambretta man, but last year sold up and bought a Scomadi TL200, which I love. If Scomadi had been badged as a Lambretta I wouldn’t have bought one. In my opinion, the Scomadi has a certain amount of Lammy DNA due to the enthusiasts that designed it, and I see it as a progression from the auto and bike engined Lammys that Frank built. But a Lambretta it ain’t. Just like the V special isn’t. Just my opinion though.

  8. colin4255
    20th June 2017 @ 10:19 am

    I am no officianado, nor a lambretta purist. I own both a Lambretta and a Vespa PX. All I can say is I hate the way it slopes upwards at the back, the height of the front mudguard. Its overal visual presence is not that of a Lambretta. They have missed a trick here. If I were ever to buy a twist and go version of my real Lambretta, right now it would have to be a Scomadi.

  9. country frank
    20th June 2017 @ 11:55 am

    Sadly i doubt this combination of retro-styled asian hardware will attract many die hards. As mentioned there are already several derivative varients of the original Lambretta line to chose from, the idea of hooking up with Scomandi could have been a good one, however i see very little to attract the likes of myself to this venture as it just looks like more of the same.

    Worth mentioning is the styling on these retro-autos always falls short in my view. There is nothing balanced about the way the forks, front wheel and mudguard intersect – to my eye, and for that reason alone [its percieved uglyness] i would never buy one. Others have commented on the upswept rear [which bothers me less]. Point is the style of the original Lambrettas is what made them what they are, the best of the bunch and copied to this day, so why such attention to detail is being overlooked in this instance I simply cant understand.

  10. andyl
    20th June 2017 @ 12:46 pm

    I think the V-Special is the perfect successor to the J range, too small, underpowered and doesn’t look right either…

  11. Gary Constantine
    20th June 2017 @ 8:24 pm

    Absolutely love it, this was no half ass half thought out design, the work involved was respectable, and the design nicely refined, likely close to what Innocenti would of done had they survived. I’ll be a buyer when/if the electric version promised in 18′ becomes available, thats the future.

  12. CONCHSCOOTER
    21st June 2017 @ 4:47 am

    Why would anyone buy this over the Scomadi? For the name? The more I watch the struggle over the Lambretta heritage the more I respect the work Piaggio has done transitioning from the old to the new. I was no fan of the ET series and subsequent four strokes but I have come around (just as I did, slowly, when the PX Nuova Linea first appeared in 1977).
    This Lambretta which requires a road test for a full appreciation lacks the fundamental styling elements to be considered a retro descendent of the name.

  13. rumiman
    25th June 2017 @ 9:41 am

    You can accuse me of being stuck in the mud,. But shouldn’t this be on the other side of the sluk site along with anything about scomadi and those gts thing’s ?

  14. Nigel Beevers
    8th August 2017 @ 6:39 pm

    why call them 200’s when they’re 168? do they think we’re stupid?

  15. Daz107
    23rd August 2017 @ 6:55 pm

    I’ve put an order in for a V200, needless to say I’m no scooter purist. I like the look, it’s got nice clean lines with a bit of heritage and style. But I’ll decide whether to buy once I’ve seen and test ridden one. I like the Scomadi but the prices seem to be nudging upwards, I’ll be interested to see how the new metal panelled Scomadi 200 is priced, I think it will compare more with a Vespa GTS, which is fair enough if it’s as good, but maybe a bit pricey for me.

  16. Steve Worledge
    22nd April 2018 @ 5:06 pm

    I long for the day when somebody carries on where the old SX200 finished. Exactly the same bodywork but with all up to the minute suspension, electrical and engine to 2018 spec. I think those in charge who make the decisions want to listen to what the older (and not so old) actually want to spend their hard earned on. Their are plenty of old Mods out there who are now in a position to fulfil their dreams and own and drive the bike they couldn’t afford the first time around.

  17. Daniel Rander
    11th June 2018 @ 7:07 pm

    Finally an evolution of scooter design that really is on point. I’m 33 years old, Designer myself, never had a scooter or was into it before. Fell in love and instantly bought the V Special in orange. And oh boy, it’s even more beautiful when you stand in front of it. And I can tell you this: Gazes all over the place. Who can say this 2018 in this mainstream Vespa boredom? Good design is pushing the boundaries of design and technology beyond his users’ expectations. “Most Advanced. Yet Acceptable.” – Maya Principle. Good job here Kiska! The marketing photos are chosen a little unhandily by photographing it often from the bottom: The mudguard doesn’t seem that high standing in front of it. Looking forward for the summer and world cup, with the company of my new Lambretta!

  18. Brooke Kelley
    2nd August 2018 @ 2:39 am

    I have to disagree with the rationale for the sloping floors and angled rear. Modern scooters began to slope following the addition of under seat storage. The volume needed required the frame to go from a spine to a wishbone. That width pushed everything outward, fuel tanks to the rear, and the tubular frame wishbone struggles to tolerate severe bends at the floorboard to seating area transition. Thus it slopes at shallow angle. As production technology allowed designers to move away from human-centered design toward making their CAD dreams reality, the bodywork that dressed the tubular wishbone chassis just became interchangeable superficial adornment. (I’m sure it looks great in a sketch, but the riding doesn’t match) The economics of using a common or little-changed platform became too great for good design to trump cheap manufacturing. Engines just grew to use the space beneath the storage bin, under the ever widening skirt. There’s no need to spend time and money on an engine that fits a good design if you have plenty of room under which to hide it. The tall wheel scooters were able to absorb this volume more easily than others and flourished in the market. They retain good ergonomic balance, slimmer profiles, and flat floors at what some may say is a price of aesthetics.

    I believe the general design of the Motom reflects a better design. The Tartarinis seemed to know how, and were willing to put in the effort, to make it all work. But Italjets came with compromises in other areas like using engines not shared with higher volume platforms and likely higher construction costs that ultimately led to the end of the business. The Velocifero kept the legshield and floor with good rider comfort but it came at the cost of a wide rear end and a bespoke Morini engine. They made it look fairly good, but it had its limits.

    Piaggio was able to keep the floors flat for the ET series and other modern scooters like the early Sferra and Skipper by using a non-tubular transition from floors to rear, for the purpose of accommodating a place to stuff your rain gear, gloves and a bottle of oil (though certainly not a large full face helmet). They got wide as well, but put in the design work to tie it all together a bit better than those who went tubular.

    Engines have now grown to the space and pivot configurations allowed by bad chassis design. Until someone is willing to put in the effort to make a compact engine, we’ll be stuck with scooters that design around economies of scale rather than a rider. A great quantity of work can go into any new design, but that may have no connection to great quality of work.

    The new Lambrettas certainly have the silhouette and some design motifs of the classic, but there is certainly nothing Slimline about them. Woe is the pilot or passenger who would like to reach their feet for those long floorboards on the side. Alas there is no room.

  19. Robin Pywell
    21st August 2018 @ 9:13 am

    There’s a gushing, but not over the top, review in French at the link below (if necessary use https://www.deepl.com/translator for a much better result than Google Translate)
    I was most amused by the suggestion that wearing a full face helmet on one of these would be some sort of sacriledge 🙂
    https://www.motoservices.com/essai-scooter/test-lambretta-v-special-125-le-retour-de-lanti-vespa

  20. Nik Skiadopoulos
    14th September 2018 @ 11:20 am

    Test rode the new V200 today back to back with the Vespa i-Get 150. Handling wise the new Lambretta has it licked. It’s super rigid, no chassis flex felt whatsoever, well damped firm suspension with no pitching, excellent brakes with good feel at both ends, plenty of stopping power. Power delivery and surge is better than the 3Vi Vespa, not as smooth or quiet but certainly felt livelier. I think the Vespa has a slight edge on the fit and finish but its close, the instrument cluster on the Lambretta looks and functions great. The L.E.D’s all round are just awesome. My only gripe with the execution are the mirrors but they are an easy fix with aftermarket… I was reluctant to go and check it out in person as from the photos and write up’s it looked a little wanting. All I can say is do yourself a favour, go out in person, take one for a ride and then decide. Having owned too many Vespas that Id care to mention, and staring at my Triumph Scrambler more than riding it in town (big beast) I’m sold on an orange V200. Australia has already sold out of the first shipment in orange 🙁 Arguably the standout 🙂

  21. Dean Wardally
    28th December 2018 @ 5:35 pm

    Doesn’t appeal to me end of.

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